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		<title>By: alphafemme</title>
		<link>http://alphafemme.net/2010/02/23/a-leap-of-faith-and-love/comment-page-1/#comment-520</link>
		<dc:creator>alphafemme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, three cents makes me richer than two cents, so I&#039;ll take all you got!

&lt;i&gt;Know how the other reacts to adversity, to prosperity, to apathy.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, this is HUGEly important, and part of why we&#039;ve been much slower than many of our friends to consider moving in. (The lesbian U-Haul joke, in my experience lately, applies across the board -- to our straight couple friends too!!) We&#039;ve talked quite a bit about various situations that could come up and how we think we&#039;d deal with them, and as you say, there&#039;s no way to know everything, it&#039;s just impossible. But what I do have complete and utter faith in is our ability to listen to each other, *hear* each other, respect each other, and commit to doing the work that needs to be done. 

&lt;i&gt;Don’t move in together because it’s a pain in the ass to be apart.&lt;/i&gt;

VERY good point. I&#039;ve done a lot of thinking and list-making and meditating and sitting on this to be sure that&#039;s not my primary motivation. It&#039;s perhaps the most *immediately noticeable* motivation, meaning, the little stressful things that come up are the things that most often make me think &quot;god I can&#039;t wait to live together.&quot; And I think stressors are often more visible motivators than happiness. But, every time I see her (which is most nights these days), there are at least several moments (even on nights when we argue or bicker or aren&#039;t being our best) when my heart just swells up and I think, god I love her. And I just want to be WITH her. Live with her. Have our own space. And it makes our set-up now seem so lacking, like it&#039;s just not big enough and doesn&#039;t give us enough space (physical or mental) to expand as much as we can. So, yeah, the primary thing is that, well, we just don&#039;t want to be apart anymore. And that goes into your third cent as well -- be together because you can&#039;t bear to be apart.

For us, well, for me anyway, that&#039;s entirely true. I&#039;ve never been as happy as I am with her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, three cents makes me richer than two cents, so I&#8217;ll take all you got!</p>
<p><i>Know how the other reacts to adversity, to prosperity, to apathy.</i></p>
<p>Yes, this is HUGEly important, and part of why we&#8217;ve been much slower than many of our friends to consider moving in. (The lesbian U-Haul joke, in my experience lately, applies across the board &#8212; to our straight couple friends too!!) We&#8217;ve talked quite a bit about various situations that could come up and how we think we&#8217;d deal with them, and as you say, there&#8217;s no way to know everything, it&#8217;s just impossible. But what I do have complete and utter faith in is our ability to listen to each other, *hear* each other, respect each other, and commit to doing the work that needs to be done. </p>
<p><i>Don’t move in together because it’s a pain in the ass to be apart.</i></p>
<p>VERY good point. I&#8217;ve done a lot of thinking and list-making and meditating and sitting on this to be sure that&#8217;s not my primary motivation. It&#8217;s perhaps the most *immediately noticeable* motivation, meaning, the little stressful things that come up are the things that most often make me think &#8220;god I can&#8217;t wait to live together.&#8221; And I think stressors are often more visible motivators than happiness. But, every time I see her (which is most nights these days), there are at least several moments (even on nights when we argue or bicker or aren&#8217;t being our best) when my heart just swells up and I think, god I love her. And I just want to be WITH her. Live with her. Have our own space. And it makes our set-up now seem so lacking, like it&#8217;s just not big enough and doesn&#8217;t give us enough space (physical or mental) to expand as much as we can. So, yeah, the primary thing is that, well, we just don&#8217;t want to be apart anymore. And that goes into your third cent as well &#8212; be together because you can&#8217;t bear to be apart.</p>
<p>For us, well, for me anyway, that&#8217;s entirely true. I&#8217;ve never been as happy as I am with her.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not trying to repeat things that peeps have already said .. but I&#039;d advise a few things:

Find out all you can beforehand. Know how the other reacts to adversity, to prosperity, to apathy. Not that these are dealbreakers/makers, but at least then you&#039;ll KNOW before you&#039;re in the same space. That being said, you&#039;re never going to know EVERYthing, which totally freaked me out when I moved in with my ex. I like to RESEARCH, and in the end, it IS a leap of sorts.

Don&#039;t move in together because it&#039;s a pain in the ass to be apart. Don&#039;t ever do anything in a relationship out of convenience (I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s your motivation, I&#039;m just saying). It&#039;s more of a pain in the ass to be stuck and have to move out than it is to have to plan ahead for 24 hours. 

A wise person once told me, &quot;Don&#039;t begin a relationship because you like to be together. Begin it because you can&#039;t bear to be apart.&quot; I think the same could be said for moving in together.

I might have given you three cents instead of two. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not trying to repeat things that peeps have already said .. but I&#8217;d advise a few things:</p>
<p>Find out all you can beforehand. Know how the other reacts to adversity, to prosperity, to apathy. Not that these are dealbreakers/makers, but at least then you&#8217;ll KNOW before you&#8217;re in the same space. That being said, you&#8217;re never going to know EVERYthing, which totally freaked me out when I moved in with my ex. I like to RESEARCH, and in the end, it IS a leap of sorts.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t move in together because it&#8217;s a pain in the ass to be apart. Don&#8217;t ever do anything in a relationship out of convenience (I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s your motivation, I&#8217;m just saying). It&#8217;s more of a pain in the ass to be stuck and have to move out than it is to have to plan ahead for 24 hours. </p>
<p>A wise person once told me, &#8220;Don&#8217;t begin a relationship because you like to be together. Begin it because you can&#8217;t bear to be apart.&#8221; I think the same could be said for moving in together.</p>
<p>I might have given you three cents instead of two. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: alphafemme</title>
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		<dc:creator>alphafemme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yay, it&#039;s possible! So moving in won&#039;t automatically mean we become boring take each other for granted. I guess there&#039;s always that possibility that something will happen that will cause us to separate (like in your case), but to go around protecting ourselves against a mere possibility seems foolish, and way too guarded. It&#039;s like greg said, the fall is harder the higher up you go. But the views are better from the top :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yay, it&#8217;s possible! So moving in won&#8217;t automatically mean we become boring take each other for granted. I guess there&#8217;s always that possibility that something will happen that will cause us to separate (like in your case), but to go around protecting ourselves against a mere possibility seems foolish, and way too guarded. It&#8217;s like greg said, the fall is harder the higher up you go. But the views are better from the top :)</p>
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		<title>By: alphafemme</title>
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		<dc:creator>alphafemme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment! We both have very separate lives and activities, and so we&#039;ll have *plenty* of time away from each other. It&#039;s really good to be aware of, though. That we need to make sure we have enough breathing room that we don&#039;t just irritate each other. (Luckily I think we know each other well enough by now to be prepared for the kinds of things we know we&#039;ll get irritated by.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment! We both have very separate lives and activities, and so we&#8217;ll have *plenty* of time away from each other. It&#8217;s really good to be aware of, though. That we need to make sure we have enough breathing room that we don&#8217;t just irritate each other. (Luckily I think we know each other well enough by now to be prepared for the kinds of things we know we&#8217;ll get irritated by.)</p>
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		<title>By: alphafemme</title>
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		<dc:creator>alphafemme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GREAT advice, FG. We&#039;re not talking merging finances *at all*, but that was a good reminder that we&#039;ll need to talk about shared expenses and that kind of thing. And the reminder that we do need to have our own space -- spot on. She&#039;s a performing musician, so she&#039;ll have her own music corner/studio space, and I&#039;ll have my piano as mine as well as my writing desk... and we&#039;ll have to make sure that each of our own personal areas has plenty of its own space around it. (The issue that space is hard to come by in San Francisco is another issue entirely...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GREAT advice, FG. We&#8217;re not talking merging finances *at all*, but that was a good reminder that we&#8217;ll need to talk about shared expenses and that kind of thing. And the reminder that we do need to have our own space &#8212; spot on. She&#8217;s a performing musician, so she&#8217;ll have her own music corner/studio space, and I&#8217;ll have my piano as mine as well as my writing desk&#8230; and we&#8217;ll have to make sure that each of our own personal areas has plenty of its own space around it. (The issue that space is hard to come by in San Francisco is another issue entirely&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: alphafemme</title>
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		<dc:creator>alphafemme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the recommendation -- I&#039;ll have to take a look at that. I really like reading books that I feel just *speak* to me and my general insecurities or whatnot. It&#039;s a scary step but the truth is, people do it all the time!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the recommendation &#8212; I&#8217;ll have to take a look at that. I really like reading books that I feel just *speak* to me and my general insecurities or whatnot. It&#8217;s a scary step but the truth is, people do it all the time!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lez-behonest.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lez-behonest.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so can i tell you my personal lesbian living experience. My girlfriend and I decided to live together, and it was probably a huge mistake. We each had our own seperate places and decided to move in together, and what started out great ended in disaster. We started to get irritated with each other, having disagreements on things married couples should be fighting for.

HOWEVER

The coming home to each other, the seeing each other everyday, the fact that she was there and I was there, somehow made it work to an extent.

Funny thing is we are both moving into seperate places March 1st

We agreed that living together was hurting instead of helping the relationship, and you know now my biggest fear is what will our relationship be like when we have seperate spaces, we have both become a bit co-dependent i guess...

as for you, you guys can still move in together just dont begin or continue to do everything together, if you are living with each other you don&#039;t have to be around each other and go out with each other all the time, basically share the space...but also make space for your self and friends..

goodluck and check out my lesbian site
 www.lez-behonest.com

my personal blog
www.alipstickdiary.tumblr.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so can i tell you my personal lesbian living experience. My girlfriend and I decided to live together, and it was probably a huge mistake. We each had our own seperate places and decided to move in together, and what started out great ended in disaster. We started to get irritated with each other, having disagreements on things married couples should be fighting for.</p>
<p>HOWEVER</p>
<p>The coming home to each other, the seeing each other everyday, the fact that she was there and I was there, somehow made it work to an extent.</p>
<p>Funny thing is we are both moving into seperate places March 1st</p>
<p>We agreed that living together was hurting instead of helping the relationship, and you know now my biggest fear is what will our relationship be like when we have seperate spaces, we have both become a bit co-dependent i guess&#8230;</p>
<p>as for you, you guys can still move in together just dont begin or continue to do everything together, if you are living with each other you don&#8217;t have to be around each other and go out with each other all the time, basically share the space&#8230;but also make space for your self and friends..</p>
<p>goodluck and check out my lesbian site<br />
 <a href="http://www.lez-behonest.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lez-behonest.com</a></p>
<p>my personal blog<br />
<a href="http://www.alipstickdiary.tumblr.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.alipstickdiary.tumblr.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: FemmeFairyGodmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>FemmeFairyGodmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve gotten very good advice thus far. I&#039;ll add this: I was married for 8 years and The Ex &amp; I didn&#039;t lose the passion and the excitement of Us until we had a tragedy that just sapped everything out of us &amp; that&#039;s what led to the split. We had our life and we each had our own - it&#039;s completely possible to have that and completely possible to avoid Lesbian Bed Death.  If you decide to do it, I&#039;ll bet it will be great. I loved being married &amp; though I&#039;m not ready *yet*, I know I will want to be married again.  Good luck, you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve gotten very good advice thus far. I&#8217;ll add this: I was married for 8 years and The Ex &amp; I didn&#8217;t lose the passion and the excitement of Us until we had a tragedy that just sapped everything out of us &amp; that&#8217;s what led to the split. We had our life and we each had our own &#8211; it&#8217;s completely possible to have that and completely possible to avoid Lesbian Bed Death.  If you decide to do it, I&#8217;ll bet it will be great. I loved being married &amp; though I&#8217;m not ready *yet*, I know I will want to be married again.  Good luck, you!</p>
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		<title>By: liberation</title>
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		<dc:creator>liberation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m chiming in here with a sort of a remember-to-take-care-of-yourself perspective.  there&#039;s some things everyone should think about when moving in with someone, which maybe you have covered already, but just in case:

1.  maintain your own personal financial accounts.  shared expenses can come from a joint account -- just be sure that you have your own credit cards, checking/savings, etc.  no one wants to think about this in the first blush of love/moving in/marriage/etc., but in the event that things happen and it&#039;s not working out, you will be so so glad that you maintained your financial independence.  i know most people don&#039;t completely merge finances anymore, but it&#039;s really really important, so bears repeating.

2.  having your own space is still a good idea.  for a relationship to last, especially if you know you have a tendency toward co-dependence, it is vital that you create space for just you.  i think this can happen in all sorts of creative ways, but it boils down to having a place where you&#039;re not automatically accessible to the other person, where they know they need to ask permission to interrupt you.   a related point is:  don&#039;t forsake your individual pursuits in the honeymoon glow of moving in together.  maintaining your individual interests is a good way to make sure you don&#039;t try to merge too much and end up with nothing to do or say but sit silently on the couch together all night.

3.  conflicts often escalate in the first brief period after moving in together.  that doesn&#039;t mean it was a mistake -- it means that your relationship and your individual selves all have to adjust to this new arrangement.  you might find that one of you feels like the apartment only reflects the others&#039; style, and that person feels erased.  whatever the topic of conflict may be, it means you have to take extra care to acknowledge each other and make room for each other.  you might be arguing about where the bathmat gets hung but it&#039;s really about one person wanting the other to acknowledge that adjusting to shared life is scary.

this unsolicited advice (of course) goes for anyone and everyone. 

and -- best of luck!  this is a really exciting step!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m chiming in here with a sort of a remember-to-take-care-of-yourself perspective.  there&#8217;s some things everyone should think about when moving in with someone, which maybe you have covered already, but just in case:</p>
<p>1.  maintain your own personal financial accounts.  shared expenses can come from a joint account &#8212; just be sure that you have your own credit cards, checking/savings, etc.  no one wants to think about this in the first blush of love/moving in/marriage/etc., but in the event that things happen and it&#8217;s not working out, you will be so so glad that you maintained your financial independence.  i know most people don&#8217;t completely merge finances anymore, but it&#8217;s really really important, so bears repeating.</p>
<p>2.  having your own space is still a good idea.  for a relationship to last, especially if you know you have a tendency toward co-dependence, it is vital that you create space for just you.  i think this can happen in all sorts of creative ways, but it boils down to having a place where you&#8217;re not automatically accessible to the other person, where they know they need to ask permission to interrupt you.   a related point is:  don&#8217;t forsake your individual pursuits in the honeymoon glow of moving in together.  maintaining your individual interests is a good way to make sure you don&#8217;t try to merge too much and end up with nothing to do or say but sit silently on the couch together all night.</p>
<p>3.  conflicts often escalate in the first brief period after moving in together.  that doesn&#8217;t mean it was a mistake &#8212; it means that your relationship and your individual selves all have to adjust to this new arrangement.  you might find that one of you feels like the apartment only reflects the others&#8217; style, and that person feels erased.  whatever the topic of conflict may be, it means you have to take extra care to acknowledge each other and make room for each other.  you might be arguing about where the bathmat gets hung but it&#8217;s really about one person wanting the other to acknowledge that adjusting to shared life is scary.</p>
<p>this unsolicited advice (of course) goes for anyone and everyone. </p>
<p>and &#8212; best of luck!  this is a really exciting step!</p>
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		<title>By: Katya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You put everything so well about what you fear and what you want from moving in together! I know your lady must appreciate your amazing level of self-awareness :) If I may make a random-seeming recommendation, related to the conflict that you foresee coming up in sharing a space with someone 24/7 - read the book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Hold-Me-Tight-Conversations-Lifetime/dp/031611300X&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Hold Me Tight&quot; by Sue Johnson&lt;/a&gt;. It looks cheesy, in parts it is cheesy, there is some gendered language for all that it tries to be neutral on sexual orientation. It really helped me see clearly how much of my fighting with partners was about wanting to be loved and accepted and safe. I think it would be useful for anyone going into a more-intense phase of their relationship...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You put everything so well about what you fear and what you want from moving in together! I know your lady must appreciate your amazing level of self-awareness :) If I may make a random-seeming recommendation, related to the conflict that you foresee coming up in sharing a space with someone 24/7 &#8211; read the book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Hold-Me-Tight-Conversations-Lifetime/dp/031611300X" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Hold Me Tight&#8221; by Sue Johnson</a>. It looks cheesy, in parts it is cheesy, there is some gendered language for all that it tries to be neutral on sexual orientation. It really helped me see clearly how much of my fighting with partners was about wanting to be loved and accepted and safe. I think it would be useful for anyone going into a more-intense phase of their relationship&#8230;</p>
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